Stout and Porter

At a family gathering at the weekend I was asked what the difference is between Porter and Stout. This is a common question, and one I’ve always answered by suggesting Porter is usually, but not always, lighter coloured, less alcoholic, and sweeter than ales labelled ‘Stout’. Having drunk Stouts that might have been Porters, and Porters that might have been Stouts, I’ve never been entirely convinced that they were actually all that different, or confident that my attempt to differentiate them really worked. A little digging turned up this 2009 piece on Martin Cornell’s excellent Zythophile blog, in which he traces the parallel histories of Porters and Stouts, showing exactly that uncertainty. Interestingly, he begins his piece by saying that this question is one of the top ten search terms leading visitors to his site:

I’m not sure that there was ever a point, even when porter was at its most debased, when you could point to any truly distinctive difference between porter and stout except to say that “stout” meant a stronger version of porter. Indeed, for much of the past 300 years, to ask “what’s the difference between porter and stout?” would have been like asking “what’s the difference between dogs and Rottweilers?”

The extract above, from the ledger of the brewer at Liverpool’s Cains brewery, on Stanhope Street in 1867, confirms that Porter was, and is, a kind of Stout. Here the brewer begins by saying that on March 2nd 1867 he brewed a “XXXX Porter” using a combination of pale, brown, and black malts, but his closing statement gives it away: this was “a good fermentation and excellent Stout”. Perhaps a brewer might like to comment on the hops used in this brew: 130lb of Hereford (1865) and 130lb of Kent (1856). That’s not a misprint: brews in this ledger often include hops a decade old, or older.

So the answer to the question seems to be that Porter is a kind of Stout, but that what makes a Porter Porter (and not Stout), is open to interpretation. Is that clear now?

Cains Export Hopes

The Liverpool Daily Post is reporting today that local brewer Cains is hoping to seal an export deal to the United States in the New Year. Cains announced earlier in the autumn that it would be exporting Cains Export Lager to China and further export opportunities would help safeguard the brewer’s future after a difficult couple of years.

I am struck by how different this business model is from the one Cains operated until its collapse in 2008. In 2007, when I was researching my book about the brewery and its long history, I asked owners Ajmail and Sudarghara Dusanj about their plans and they praised the way Sam Adams had become an international American brand. Back then in the era of cheap easy money, booming property prices and willing banks, the Dusanjs were understandably keen to become a significant regional brewer with national reach here in the UK. The result of their subsequent rapid expansion into and equally rapid withdrawal from pub estate ownership doesn’t need repeating. What is interesting now is that like other small upstart regional brewers the company’s concentration on its core business–brewing beer–is enabling its expansion in ways that avoid the high costs and risks associated with property and estates management. From the Post article:

Liverpool brewer Cains is in talks with several major US importers and hopes to clinch a US export deal early in the new year.

The Toxteth-based firm expects to reap the rewards of a trade mission it took part in this September, when joint managing director Sudarghara Dusanj attended a key Las Vegas brewing convention, supported by the government-backed export agency UK Trade and Investment (UKTI) and regeneration agency Liverpool Vision.

His aim during the trade mission was to spread the word among American importers about Cains’ famous brewing heritage. [More]

Robert Cain Goes To Vegas

Cains bottleBack in 2006 when I first met Sudarghara and Ajmail Dusanj at the Robert Cain brewery in Liverpool they expressed admiration for the Samuel Adams brewery in Boston, Mass., in particular for the way that small operation had managed to become internationally recognised. Then in March this year, after a tumultuous twelve months, they announced they were making a bid to become an exporter. And now comes the news that Cains is attending the National Beer Wholesalers’ Association convention in Las Vegas, with the aim of exporting Cains Export Lager to the United States. I hope they also take along a few copies of my book.

Read the press release here.

Daily Telegraph on Cains Brewery Revival

CainscrestOn Tuesday The Daily Telegraph published a strange little piece on Cain’s brewery and the aftermath of the company’s collapse last year. I say strange because I’m not quite sure what the point of it might be for the paper. From the point of view of the brewery it floats the new, healthy-sounding turnover of £30 million–no mention of profits though–and the idea that the brewery is finally back on the road to recovery, which is good news. To me this feels more like a marketing pitch than a news story, but there is also a small personal insight into what the Dusanj brothers went through in the days after they were sent home by the administrators:

“The Olympics started the next day on 08. 08. 08. I’ll never forget that. I watched most of it,” he says. But his enforced bout of TV watching proved cathartic.“I listened to all these stories about sportsmen who get big knock-backs but they believe in what they have and come back,” he explains.

He and his brother Ajmail decided to give things another go and bought much of Cains from Pricewaterhouse- Coopers, its administrator, later in the summer.

Today the group is smaller and humbler than it was. It has just nine pubs and fewer staff. A number of old customers are gone, but many have stood by the company and there are new ones too. Turnover this year should be £30m, just over half of what it was but still a sizeable amount.

Here’s the link to the Telegraph piece again. And speaking of marketing pitches, there’s a lot more about Cains and its fascinating 160-year history in my book Cains: The Story of Liverpool in a Pint.

Beery Links on April 8th 2009

There were a couple of interesting stories in the brewing trade paper The Morning Advertiser yesterday that I think are related. The first is about research that shows Britons are ignorant about cask beer:

Londoners know the least about cask beer — 20% think it is a type of lager and 7% think it is a canned or bottled lager. While Yorkshire folk are the most knowledgeable with 60% aware that it is only available in pubs.

The other story, from the Sir Shannon Alberry Blog, asks Where did it all go wrong for pubs? and describes the way young adult drinkers have been shunned by publicans afraid of being caught out serving underage customers:

[Big Phil] told me that his younger son, 19 and about to go to university and a bit of a social lad and who actually works a few shifts for me here, is in a real party phase as he waits to go off on a round the world pre-university tour.

So he is catching up with his other mates — all are good lads and are either at university or on their way. Big Phil said: “you’ve lost them”. He said for whatever reason pubs really mean nothing to them. He pointed out that one evening when he got home his son and his mates (there were 6 of them) were about to go out clubbing — it was about 9.30pm. They had met at his house and Big Phil noticed that they left behind two (empty) bottles of vodka — both the cheapest varieties from Tesco’s and Sainsbury’s. Big Phil, always keen to reinforce his view, continued: “not only have you lost them now but you’ve probably lost them, and their generation, for ever”.

If this is an accurate picture of the way things are–and it has a ring of general truth about it–then that same generation of drinkers is going to continue to be ignorant of how good quality ales can be.

And talking of quality, the revival of Cains brewery after the debacle of last summer seems to be coming on with the news today that their export lager has been awarded the red tractor mark, for food quality. From the Cains website:

Cains Export has become the first lager to be awarded the Assured Food Standards ‘Red Tractor’ logo.

The prize-winning lager is made from some of the country’s finest malt and hops and will now be able to carry the Red Tractor symbol to reassure consumers of its qualities.

Cains Export is made only from UK ingredients that have to undergo rigorous independent inspection to ensure they meet the highest standards of hygiene, food safety and quality. [Link]

I’m not really a lager drinker, but Cains lager is one of the few I would go out of my way to find on a hot summer’s day.